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		<title>By: Ambien.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ambien.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Ambien....&lt;/strong&gt;

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<p>Ambien online. Ambien overnight. Ambien side effects&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John good luck! I hope everything went well. Do let us know.
-wolfe</description>
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-wolfe</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wolfe (argh... your blog ate my follow up! And my wife just went into labour... Ill post a follow up in a bit...)


@Zogmama 
The president, Congress and the House of representatives do not align well with the principles of the founders of the US. ( and thats not meant to be pithy, its just a frightening statement of fact!)

(What?  The contractions are 8 minutes apart... I have a few minutes before the babysitter gets here!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Wolfe (argh&#8230; your blog ate my follow up! And my wife just went into labour&#8230; Ill post a follow up in a bit&#8230;)</p>
<p>@Zogmama<br />
The president, Congress and the House of representatives do not align well with the principles of the founders of the US. ( and thats not meant to be pithy, its just a frightening statement of fact!)</p>
<p>(What?  The contractions are 8 minutes apart&#8230; I have a few minutes before the babysitter gets here!)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Wolfe

Yes, My test is impossible to pass...</description>
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<p>Yes, My test is impossible to pass&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: son of the suns</title>
		<link>http://wolfe.mabtw.com/2006/12/13/on-annoying-politicians/comment-page-1/#comment-2412</link>
		<dc:creator>son of the suns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 00:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't use codewords when I critique Jews. Some Jews are big givers to AmeriLeft causes but some other Jews(Likud?) are big givers to AmeriRight causes. Some Hollywood anglos are big givers to the left too. No one is above critique.

There's nothing cynical about the Bush remark. Bush is a half-multiculturalist. He doesn't care what color you are, he sees Christiandom as "The West". So with Hispanics he can bring in more Christ bretheren and bring in slave wage workers and get lots of business support.

Paleo-conservatives see "The European Race" as the "The West" and don't care what religion you are as long as you're a white capitalist. This movement has been dead for a good while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t use codewords when I critique Jews. Some Jews are big givers to AmeriLeft causes but some other Jews(Likud?) are big givers to AmeriRight causes. Some Hollywood anglos are big givers to the left too. No one is above critique.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing cynical about the Bush remark. Bush is a half-multiculturalist. He doesn&#8217;t care what color you are, he sees Christiandom as &#8220;The West&#8221;. So with Hispanics he can bring in more Christ bretheren and bring in slave wage workers and get lots of business support.</p>
<p>Paleo-conservatives see &#8220;The European Race&#8221; as the &#8220;The West&#8221; and don&#8217;t care what religion you are as long as you&#8217;re a white capitalist. This movement has been dead for a good while.</p>
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		<title>By: wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 18:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This answer is to SotS&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;@SotS&lt;/b&gt; Yep, they did indeed find dead Iranians. And there's no question where those rockets came from: direct from Iranian army stocks in most cases. Iranian troops and probably technicians were there helping train Hezbollah: the question is, did Hezbollah have Iran's go-ahead to fire off millions of dollars of rockets and fully reveal their capability to the West, thereby making it clear that Hezbollah was now a Shiite strategic threat to Israel?

As I said to John above, I'm undecided on the matter of to what degree they are totally under the control of Iran. There's a tendency for created monsters to grow entirely out of control of the creator. That they are heavily backed by and significantly a creature of Iran there is no doubt.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Like Western Europe. George Soros, Bill Maher, etc. The chief money holders and idealogues of the left have said they want the US to become Europe. No GOD, no guns, no births.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, there's more than a little truth to that. Be careful with lines like "chief money holders" though -- people have used stuff like that in the past to smear Jews. And however wrong Israel (or some Jews and some Christians) may be on some issues, I think Israel's on the right side of this conflict between the West and Islam.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Funny propaganda sidenote: Iranian TV tells itâ€™s people that Coca-Cola is made from the blood of Arabs&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmmm. You sure on that? Do you have a good source? I'm well aware of the blood libel being used (though not, I  confess with respect to Coke in Iran). Moreover, why would the average Iranian much care about the 'blood of Arabs' -- they're sure willing to expend it en masse, along with their own Persian blood.

That said, the thrust of your propaganda sidenote is certainly correct; here's what &lt;a href="http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&amp;Area=antisemitism&amp;ID=SP130006" rel="nofollow"&gt;I found on Iranian TV and cola-like drinks&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;"If only it were that simple... The Zionists are the largest shareholders in the world's drink manufacturers. They make hundreds of thousands of billions of dollars from this annually. This way, they export their colonialist schemes with this product, at no additional cost.

"Take, for example, the Pepsi drink. Do you know what Pepsi stands for? 'Pay Each Penny Save Israel.'"&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sheesh. Hundreds of thousands of billions a year for the Zionist shareholders of Coca-cola and Pepsi? So hundreds of trillions? Considering the total net income of Coke and Pepsi for '05 was a little over 5 billion, that means the sneaky Zionists own 6,000,000%, that's right, 6 million percent of both companies. Impressive.

It's always irritating to see journalists -- even in 'free' countries make such asinine mathematical errors. In this case, at least it's funny. And sad. And disturbing, considering these guys will be nuclear soon at this rate.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The dark little secret of Bushâ€™s â€œimmigration policyâ€? is that he sees mass influx of Hispanic Christians as a better alternative&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That's an incredibly paranoid and cynical view. That said, there's a kernel of truth in there somewhere. I don't think you're really right on it, but it would astound me if the matter's never come up in White House policy discussions. (I think Bush simply buys into multiculturalism to a significant degree: his perception of Hispanics is of wealthy, educated ones like his sister-in-law and nieces and nephews.)

And personally, I don't care about a flood of Hispanic immigration as long as a) they speak English, and b) immigrate legally.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Amatuers talk politics, professionals talk demographics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Have you read Mark Steyn's book "America Alone"? If not, go to your local library,  and reserve a copy. Get them to send one in for you if they don't have it. He talks about exactly this sort of thing, and does so rather more eloquently than you or I.

-wolfe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This answer is to SotS</i><br />
<b>@SotS</b> Yep, they did indeed find dead Iranians. And there&#8217;s no question where those rockets came from: direct from Iranian army stocks in most cases. Iranian troops and probably technicians were there helping train Hezbollah: the question is, did Hezbollah have Iran&#8217;s go-ahead to fire off millions of dollars of rockets and fully reveal their capability to the West, thereby making it clear that Hezbollah was now a Shiite strategic threat to Israel?</p>
<p>As I said to John above, I&#8217;m undecided on the matter of to what degree they are totally under the control of Iran. There&#8217;s a tendency for created monsters to grow entirely out of control of the creator. That they are heavily backed by and significantly a creature of Iran there is no doubt.</p>
<blockquote><p>Like Western Europe. George Soros, Bill Maher, etc. The chief money holders and idealogues of the left have said they want the US to become Europe. No GOD, no guns, no births.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s more than a little truth to that. Be careful with lines like &#8220;chief money holders&#8221; though &#8212; people have used stuff like that in the past to smear Jews. And however wrong Israel (or some Jews and some Christians) may be on some issues, I think Israel&#8217;s on the right side of this conflict between the West and Islam.</p>
<blockquote><p>Funny propaganda sidenote: Iranian TV tells itâ€™s people that Coca-Cola is made from the blood of Arabs</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm. You sure on that? Do you have a good source? I&#8217;m well aware of the blood libel being used (though not, I  confess with respect to Coke in Iran). Moreover, why would the average Iranian much care about the &#8216;blood of Arabs&#8217; &#8212; they&#8217;re sure willing to expend it en masse, along with their own Persian blood.</p>
<p>That said, the thrust of your propaganda sidenote is certainly correct; here&#8217;s what <a href="http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&amp;Area=antisemitism&amp;ID=SP130006" rel="nofollow">I found on Iranian TV and cola-like drinks</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;If only it were that simple&#8230; The Zionists are the largest shareholders in the world&#8217;s drink manufacturers. They make hundreds of thousands of billions of dollars from this annually. This way, they export their colonialist schemes with this product, at no additional cost.</p>
<p>&#8220;Take, for example, the Pepsi drink. Do you know what Pepsi stands for? &#8216;Pay Each Penny Save Israel.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sheesh. Hundreds of thousands of billions a year for the Zionist shareholders of Coca-cola and Pepsi? So hundreds of trillions? Considering the total net income of Coke and Pepsi for &#8216;05 was a little over 5 billion, that means the sneaky Zionists own 6,000,000%, that&#8217;s right, 6 million percent of both companies. Impressive.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always irritating to see journalists &#8212; even in &#8216;free&#8217; countries make such asinine mathematical errors. In this case, at least it&#8217;s funny. And sad. And disturbing, considering these guys will be nuclear soon at this rate.</p>
<blockquote><p>The dark little secret of Bushâ€™s â€œimmigration policyâ€? is that he sees mass influx of Hispanic Christians as a better alternative</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s an incredibly paranoid and cynical view. That said, there&#8217;s a kernel of truth in there somewhere. I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re really right on it, but it would astound me if the matter&#8217;s never come up in White House policy discussions. (I think Bush simply buys into multiculturalism to a significant degree: his perception of Hispanics is of wealthy, educated ones like his sister-in-law and nieces and nephews.)</p>
<p>And personally, I don&#8217;t care about a flood of Hispanic immigration as long as a) they speak English, and b) immigrate legally.</p>
<blockquote><p>Amatuers talk politics, professionals talk demographics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Have you read Mark Steyn&#8217;s book &#8220;America Alone&#8221;? If not, go to your local library,  and reserve a copy. Get them to send one in for you if they don&#8217;t have it. He talks about exactly this sort of thing, and does so rather more eloquently than you or I.</p>
<p>-wolfe</p>
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		<title>By: son of the suns</title>
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		<dc:creator>son of the suns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John said, "And soon, (if not already) they will have created a society that is dead, uncaring and unproductive."

Like Western Europe. George Soros, Bill Maher, etc. The chief money holders and idealogues of the left have said they want the US to become Europe. No GOD, no guns, no births. Death of European man.

The dark little secret of Bush's "immigration policy" is that he sees mass influx of Hispanic Christians as a better alternative than an increasingly empty-souled white majority, or God forbid an Arab Islamic majority.

Amatuers talk politics, professionals talk demographics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John said, &#8220;And soon, (if not already) they will have created a society that is dead, uncaring and unproductive.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like Western Europe. George Soros, Bill Maher, etc. The chief money holders and idealogues of the left have said they want the US to become Europe. No GOD, no guns, no births. Death of European man.</p>
<p>The dark little secret of Bush&#8217;s &#8220;immigration policy&#8221; is that he sees mass influx of Hispanic Christians as a better alternative than an increasingly empty-souled white majority, or God forbid an Arab Islamic majority.</p>
<p>Amatuers talk politics, professionals talk demographics.</p>
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		<title>By: zogmama</title>
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		<dc:creator>zogmama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wolfe: 'Small groups of them are trying to kill us and destroy our culture.' I was addressing John's PROVOCATIVE (his caps) statement, so felt that my presumption of his US residence was safe. Mea culpa if I was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wolfe: &#8216;Small groups of them are trying to kill us and destroy our culture.&#8217; I was addressing John&#8217;s PROVOCATIVE (his caps) statement, so felt that my presumption of his US residence was safe. Mea culpa if I was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: son of the suns</title>
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		<dc:creator>son of the suns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 16:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wolfe, Iranian "revolutionary guard" troops were found dead in Israeli strikes during the Lebanon war. If Iran did not order the rocket attacks, they did not hesitate to help their brothers when they started.

Funny propaganda sidenote: Iranian TV tells it's people that Coca-Cola is made from the blood of Arabs and is owned by Jews. Whatever it takes I guess for the Muslims to install cultural memes against the "feminine rambling drug". Atleast their people won't be obese from high fructose corn syrup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wolfe, Iranian &#8220;revolutionary guard&#8221; troops were found dead in Israeli strikes during the Lebanon war. If Iran did not order the rocket attacks, they did not hesitate to help their brothers when they started.</p>
<p>Funny propaganda sidenote: Iranian TV tells it&#8217;s people that Coca-Cola is made from the blood of Arabs and is owned by Jews. Whatever it takes I guess for the Muslims to install cultural memes against the &#8220;feminine rambling drug&#8221;. Atleast their people won&#8217;t be obese from high fructose corn syrup.</p>
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		<title>By: wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Dec 2006 12:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John on Hezbollah -- kind of a mix. They have been flexing their muscles in terms of independence of action -- a lot of analysts believe that their burning off all those rockets was a strategic error that did not come remotely at the direction of Iran. But Iran's been backing and funding them for a long time, so it's hardly a case of "jumping on the bandwagon". Your point on them not being a total puppet of Iran is, though, an interesting one that a lot of people are espousing. I'm undecided on the matter at present.

@Teri it's actually appropriate to capitalize Muslim and Christian. One can debate whether or not John should have capitalized Belief, Western, Culture and History. (A native German speaker probably would have...).

Your point that he capitalized abstract things rather than the highly personal is an interesting one, however. Perhaps it's one of those differences between men and women. And yes indeed on dying while living and on Christ.

&lt;b&gt;@John wrote:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;My own opinion is more along the lines of â€œprove to me you are not a threat, until then I will not trust youâ€? in regards to muslims&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You can't prove a negative. Your test is impossible to past. Now if you want to substitute "persuade me" or "demonstrate persuasively" for "prove", then, sure.

That may seem like semantic nit-picking, but if one wishes to think clearly and objectively, I don't think it is.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They are Muslimsâ€¦ their Beliefs are completely counter to my western christian culture. (Admittedly) Small groups of them are trying to kill us and destroy our culture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Not sure I agree with the first sentence. Islam certainly does need a Reformation and an Enlightenment though. The second (and most of the rest)? Yep.

&lt;blockquote&gt;yet small VOCAL groups use the freedom of religion clause of the constitution, coupled with the left wing ( freedom for all as long as you agree with me) policy of taking offense to everything under the sun to chip away at all the freedoms they disagree with&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I'd certainly agree with that. And the idea that Christianity is under attack -- globally in a big way.

&lt;b&gt;@Z wrote:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Your philosophy of life (prove your innocence because Iâ€™ve already presumed your guilt) does not align well with the founding principles of the US.&lt;/blockquote&gt;An interesting argument. Relevant if the person in question is resident in the US. Otherwise, not really.

&lt;b&gt;@AllyC wrote&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Hey John, Happy holidays!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Heh. Funniest line this week I think (in context).

&lt;b&gt;@Female wrote:&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;What do you think? Should I take it back or go to another store and use it and get more free cosmetics?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Well, you can guess my answer: no. On both moral and utilitarian grounds.

-wolfe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John on Hezbollah &#8212; kind of a mix. They have been flexing their muscles in terms of independence of action &#8212; a lot of analysts believe that their burning off all those rockets was a strategic error that did not come remotely at the direction of Iran. But Iran&#8217;s been backing and funding them for a long time, so it&#8217;s hardly a case of &#8220;jumping on the bandwagon&#8221;. Your point on them not being a total puppet of Iran is, though, an interesting one that a lot of people are espousing. I&#8217;m undecided on the matter at present.</p>
<p>@Teri it&#8217;s actually appropriate to capitalize Muslim and Christian. One can debate whether or not John should have capitalized Belief, Western, Culture and History. (A native German speaker probably would have&#8230;).</p>
<p>Your point that he capitalized abstract things rather than the highly personal is an interesting one, however. Perhaps it&#8217;s one of those differences between men and women. And yes indeed on dying while living and on Christ.</p>
<p><b>@John wrote:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>My own opinion is more along the lines of â€œprove to me you are not a threat, until then I will not trust youâ€? in regards to muslims</p></blockquote>
<p>You can&#8217;t prove a negative. Your test is impossible to past. Now if you want to substitute &#8220;persuade me&#8221; or &#8220;demonstrate persuasively&#8221; for &#8220;prove&#8221;, then, sure.</p>
<p>That may seem like semantic nit-picking, but if one wishes to think clearly and objectively, I don&#8217;t think it is.</p>
<blockquote><p>They are Muslimsâ€¦ their Beliefs are completely counter to my western christian culture. (Admittedly) Small groups of them are trying to kill us and destroy our culture.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure I agree with the first sentence. Islam certainly does need a Reformation and an Enlightenment though. The second (and most of the rest)? Yep.</p>
<blockquote><p>yet small VOCAL groups use the freedom of religion clause of the constitution, coupled with the left wing ( freedom for all as long as you agree with me) policy of taking offense to everything under the sun to chip away at all the freedoms they disagree with</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d certainly agree with that. And the idea that Christianity is under attack &#8212; globally in a big way.</p>
<p><b>@Z wrote:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>Your philosophy of life (prove your innocence because Iâ€™ve already presumed your guilt) does not align well with the founding principles of the US.</p></blockquote>
<p>An interesting argument. Relevant if the person in question is resident in the US. Otherwise, not really.</p>
<p><b>@AllyC wrote</b></p>
<blockquote><p>Hey John, Happy holidays!</p></blockquote>
<p>Heh. Funniest line this week I think (in context).</p>
<p><b>@Female wrote:</b></p>
<blockquote><p>What do you think? Should I take it back or go to another store and use it and get more free cosmetics?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, you can guess my answer: no. On both moral and utilitarian grounds.</p>
<p>-wolfe</p>
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